Lance Wantenaar: [00:00:00] Welcome everybody to the thinking, like a genius podcast. I’ve got Dawna Campbell on as a guest tonight, and this is going to be an interesting interview because Dawna. going to do something which I normally don’t venture into, she’s going to tie some of the more esoteric subjects to brainwaves thinking, changing how you’re thinking and some of my favorite topics, which are meditation.
[00:00:51] And also you could say re-engineering the self. So you could say it’s going to be a meeting of minds today. So I’m very curious to find out a bit more about how. Dawna works and also to get a different insight into my understanding of not only brainwaves, but also body waves, body sensations, and how to make changes, to think differently and to think better.
[00:01:22] Dawna, give us a bit of a background about yourself. And then what we’ll do is we’ll start diving into topics as things come along. So tell people a bit about you. Also how you got to doing the work that you’re doing at the moment.
[00:01:38] Dawna Campbell: [00:01:38] Hi, and thank you for having me a little bit about me. I’m formally a financial advisor and a managing principal of an investment firm, and I was responsible for $500 million of other people’s money.
[00:01:53] I was in that profession because I was truly passionate about helping people in the categories of wealth, creating opportunities for themselves, for their children, because I didn’t have that growing up. What ended up happening for me was I traded my health for that job. And I wasn’t able to digest food for two years now, Western medicine, wasn’t able to figure out what was quote unquote, wrong with me.
[00:02:18] So I turned to natural healing and that started me on the path that I am on today. And I learned that there was something I couldn’t digest in the outside world. And why my digestion was broken down and what I couldn’t digest was the infidelity of my marriage and the amount of anger, not only in the corporate financial world, but also in my personal life.
[00:02:41] And it was that anger emotion that I couldn’t digest. So I left and I moved to an Ostrov, which is a spiritual living community to understand science and physics and brainwave patterns and how to embody meditation as a lifestyle, because those things had me in common. So I knew if I was going to change anything, it had to be.
[00:03:03] And then when I left thinking that I was just taking a year off from the financial services world, I myself became financially devastated because nobody was hiring regardless of how many security licenses you had in a global recession. So the three areas people ask about health, wealth, and relationships.
[00:03:23] I experienced all of that in five years. I dedicated myself after that to a pathway of healing. And today I’m an international healer, a professional speaker and a bestselling author sharing these techniques. I’ve been doing this for the last 11 years. And because of this, the media calls me the mind whisperer.
[00:03:45] Lance Wantenaar: [00:03:45] That’s an interesting title to be dished out with. How did you get awarded the mind whisperer as a title?
[00:03:53] Dawna Campbell: [00:03:53] What had happened was some people had asked me what it was that I did. And I explained how our emotions and feelings affect us and how it works on a subconscious level and how to make those changes to create a different outcome.
[00:04:09] And they just said, you’re kind of like a mind whisper, just like a dog whisper, just like a horse whisper where you’re working on an energetic level with the animal to create a behavioral change. I do the same thing, except I work with people in the scope of their mind in that deeper subconscious.
[00:04:29] Lance Wantenaar: [00:04:29] This is where it’s going to get nitty-gritty because it’s an area which I’m kind of fascinated about
[00:04:36] I’m reading a book by Dr. Flint about his process getting method. And he’s done a lot of work on working on the subconscious, which I’m finding incredibly fascinating because of a lot of his insights into how the brain processes, information, active memory, dormant, memory, subconscious, unconscious, and conscious.
[00:05:00] Now initially people think subconscious and unconscious as the same thing they’re not in essence, which is something new I’ve learnt as well. So the burning question for me is that we know that probably 98% of your thoughts are basically recurring themes and recurring patterns and automation of the brain has built up over time.
[00:05:25] And my insight into that is that the brain doesn’t care, whether something, whether you designate something good or bad, It just creates an automation because as finds it this most suitable way for it to process something at that time. And if we can repeat that, it’ll repeat, it is very good at automation.
[00:05:48] It’s one of the most, you could say efficient automation engines that you can
[00:05:55] Dawna Campbell: [00:05:55] Absolutely. You’re absolutely right. And that’s exactly what the subconscious is designed to do. The subconscious records events. From the moment that you’re born to the moment you exit this earth, it’s just a straight recording, like a movie, except it’s also taking the feelings and emotions that you have moment by moment, and then assigning them to that event.
[00:06:19] And then it creates a pattern automation for you to live by. It runs like a tape in the back of your mind. And creates the responses that you have. So in a moment when you get upset or frustrated, you feel it through your whole body, you’re just not angry in one finger. You’re angry through the whole body.
[00:06:39] And that’s the subconscious when it gets triggered. So if it has the feelings on the emotions assigning to it, moment by moment later in life, we’re going, we wanted XYZ, but all I have are these, you know, it not working. I just have frustration. What’s going on. So the problem with the subconscious is that it runs 90% of who we are.
[00:07:02] And we’re only aware of this process happening 10% of the time scientists measured Albert Einstein’s brain and his conscious awareness was 10%. So the other 90% is this automatic. Pattering in the subconscious that just runs within our life. So what I do is I work with a person and we start with the conscious level understanding what is going on currently in the person’s life, identify, reverse engineering it back, the feelings and emotions they’re experiencing.
[00:07:33] Then I can figure out where it’s located out in the body. And how they feel. And it will tie back to the original event where it first got started. And then that’s the point of change. That’s where I call we do the pivot and shifting, because we can change out those energies and frequencies, the vibrational feelings and emotions to what it is that you needed and what you wanted, not what you created, because like you said, the mind doesn’t matter.
[00:08:00] It’s just running on automation. So we’re going to change that out and we give the mind a new pattern to live by, and it will move all the way forward into your life. And then you have a new response system. Your brain is the fastest supercomputer out there. And if you look at it from that point of view, what we’re doing is where we programming the software, which is what that subconscious is.
[00:08:25] Lance Wantenaar: [00:08:25] You’ve mentioned a couple of things which are fine. Correlates a lot of my own thought processes. And there’s a good bear with me because I’m going on a bit of a tangent over here. The reason why I find what you’ve said so interesting is that the brain is very good about programming in a behavior during a stressful incident, from a self-preservation point of view, a lot of that ties down to the limbic system, self preservation, fight or flight, everything else, because it’s, it’s very good at using that part of the brain to write an automation for self-preservation.
[00:08:57] I’ve got a bit of a beef with some of the. Re engineering habit, forming approaches in psychology at the moment because they go on about repeating a pattern over and over time. And over a period of time, you’ll start changing. It’s almost like an outside in approach of trying to change something. So it’s like banging your head against a wall and then wondering why the wall is not changing because the brain can use a threat condition too.
[00:09:28] write a habit or reaction or a response mechanism based on that by default, you should be able to go back to that point either undo it or find a way of changing it fast, because I think the problem that I’ve got with the current method of trying to do an outside in is that you’re trying to force something from the outside in it’s like trying to put an egg back into an already complete egg
[00:09:57] it’s not going to happen. You’ve got to break there to get it in, but then you’ve already got something in there and the brain has got something in there that it thinks is functioning perfectly good. Doesn’t matter if you like it or not. It’s going to preserve what has you using already? That’s I think more or less a law of nature.
[00:10:14] You can’t put something in. If something’s already in that space, you’ve either got to remove it or find a way of changing it. Now it also gets into another bit of a tangent of mine is that a lot of people don’t understand how the fault function is a system. So if you take systems thinking, as an example, they’re not looked at that thought process or habit in context of the person, they just looking, I want to change this habit.
[00:10:43]But what is it within the whole system that the person is functioning in? Because now what you’re doing is you’re trying to change one thing in isolation. If you change one thing in isolation and you’re putting pressure on other parts of the system. So it means that that’s going to cause reactions, which are unwanted
[00:10:59] okay. So if you had to take, let’s say a recipe for an omelet, for example, you’ve got eggs, you’ve got spices, you’ve got various other things that you’d like to add in. Now, if you think, oh, I can just add more and more egg to it. Yes, you can do. But if you don’t. Look at it, from the perspective, a recipe of what you want to achieve, just adding more egg or adding more salt or adding more.
[00:11:24] This one will do that is changing how functions as a system is no longer an omelet. It becomes inedible. So same thing with everything else. My question is how do you step back to the point of actually identifying because of self experimentation, trying to step that back to the point where you’ve actually been able to identify that, how do you go about identifying that first instance to get that domino effect for the change to happen.
[00:11:53] How does your mind whispering process go about it?
[00:11:58] Dawna Campbell: [00:11:58] Yeah, you’re absolutely right with everything that you’re saying. And affirmation is an outside in approach. We get told to do affirmations all the time, but we’re trying to put something in, in order for something to go in. You have to take something out.
[00:12:13] Your body is a full container. So we have to release something after we identify what it is. And then allow it to transform into whether there’s that we do want with it. And so by going from the conscious mind to the subconscious mind, that’s an insight out approach that way. And you’re absolutely right with an egg, if there’s a chicken egg, and that egg breaks on the outside life ends.
[00:12:38] But if that chicken on the inside breaks through the egg, life begins. So everything needs to be an inside out approach. And that’s what I’ve learned to do. So with the, say the mindless brain process, what I’m going to do is I’m going to first identify what your current feeling state is. So say you want to create more money, more income.
[00:13:03] I’m going to ask you first, why you want to do that. Most of the time, you’re going to tell me something about a relationship or a lifestyle that you desire to have that you feel is going to improve your life. And then I’m going to find out what it feels like not having it. And in a client, an example, he said, I’m frustrated.
[00:13:20] So that is conscious energy that I can identify that he’s frustrated. He felt that frustration in his gut, his solar plexus stomach area. When I asked him, when was the first time he felt that energy there, the very first thought went back to an event where his parents got divorced when he was nine. Each family was comfortable, but the more, the extra got divided up and it created a pattern of frustration for him because he was an only child and it was playing tug of war in between the two parents.
[00:13:54] So he created a pattern in the subconscious of always creating frustration when he wanted more. So, when I found out what he needed at that moment, he didn’t need to be between his parents and that he wanted to be happy. He told me he wanted to feel a sense of accomplishment. And his reason why was his boys were getting ready to go to college, had a couple of years.
[00:14:15] And they had some things they wanted to do as a family. So you needed the more money, the more income to do that. So he wanted his boys to respect him and honor him for what his efforts were. So knowing what that was. I go into a meditation technique, happens in a few moments. I’m in a shared space. I asked them if they want the change, they say, yes, it already happened probably seconds before.
[00:14:40] And that subconscious got reprogrammed. So then when we look at the event again, he’s like Huh. My parents still got divorced, which is true. The events don’t change, but how he felt about the event was completely different. He was happy riding his bicycle down the street, playing with his friends. His parents still went through their process, but it had zero effect on him.
[00:15:03] And then in the moment I asked him how his stomach felt and he goes that knot as gone. And this was in front of a live audience. I brought him up on stage as a demonstration and he said, It’s just completely gone. It’s not there at all. And everyone started commenting and how he looked like he dropped 20 pounds of energy weight off of his body.
[00:15:23] And he was a thin man. So it wasn’t a physical light, but they could see the energy weight just completely gone. His boys graduated high school now and are going to college in the fall. And they got to do the more, the things they want to do as a family, because he was able to produce it because we changed that internal frequency.
[00:15:44] From what was stopping what he was asking for to what it was that he needed. And he learned it in a fraction of a second, and then it created for him, his doing, he didn’t do anything different than he had the week before. It just worked because that 90% of that vibrational energy, that the universe was returning to him returned to different frequency.
[00:16:06] We’re all like radio, transmitters and receivers. And if you’re constantly sending out frustration or constantly sending out resistance, the universe is going to say, here have more frustration here, have more resistance in all areas of your life. It doesn’t compartmentalize it. This is the category of health and this one’s over here in a relationship and it just returns the frequency.
[00:16:28] And as people we’re part of that universe, so people were returning. Resistance energetically. It happens unconsciously because we’re always reading the energy and he wasn’t aware of it because it was hidden in his subconscious. So he sent out a new frequency happened automatically and people went, oh, here I’ll do business with you because they didn’t feel that resistance.
[00:16:52] So that’s how the process works.
[00:16:53]Lance Wantenaar: [00:16:53] Let’s talk about the wave aspect of, and frequency aspects of being, and also thinking, because there’s, a lot more researchers going into brainwaves and how the brain functions on the various brainwaves and which part of the brains, obviously using the various levels of brainwaves and how it’s tied to type of thought patterns, the areas of the brain that gets activated when those brain waves activated.
[00:17:21] How do they relate to a physical aspect and how do they relate to a person detecting it? And you can say processing it because the essence is a bit of a difficult concept for people to understand, because they’re not used to it. They might be, but more aware of the brainwave aspect because there’s a bit more research going into it.
[00:17:40] But how does that function? Alpha-beta theta. How did they function within the
[00:17:46] Dawna Campbell: [00:17:46] Right? So when we are in energies of stress, frustration, anger, pressure worry, you’re running a high beta brainwave. When it gets shirt, a beta brainwave runs between on average, 14 to 21 cycles per second. And it’s in the higher realms of that, that you will feel and experience.
[00:18:06] Those energies, the beta brainwave is our active waking state. I’m talking, you’re listening. We’re both in beta brainwave patterns. It’s also our doing state. So we get up in the morning, we get ready. We go to work. We drive the car, we’re doing, doing, doing, doing, doing, and it’s a continual doing it. Also correlates with our 10% of our consciousness as well.
[00:18:28] If we were to lower our brainwave pattern, just a little bit to an alpha state that alpha state runs seven to 14 cycles per second on average. And what that does is it activates your frontal lobe for you to dream for you, to visualize for you, to see, to bring in those senses. And you can be in a beta brainwave state working at your computer, but would you start dreaming about your vacation you’re taking next month and the things that you’re going to do?
[00:18:56] What happens next is your brainwave patterns were start to split. You’re running just a beta brainwave on also an alpha brainwave, alpha brainwaves are used for what is called dynamic meditation. This is when you sit and you visualize what it is that you’re wanting to create. And like I said, it activates in the frontal lobe and that’s where we see quote, unquote, our pictures in our mind.
[00:19:21] The next level down is a theta brainwave. This is on average four to seven cycles per second. This is in the morning when you’re waking up and you’re going to sleep, but you’re dreaming, but you know, you woke up, but you fell back asleep in your dream and you’re in and out of that state. This is where transcendental meditation comes in.
[00:19:37] And when you go deep enough and a theta brainwave, you’re an energy. If no. thought just pure expansiveness, pure peacefulness. And every time you lower your brainwave patterns down, you become more balanced more peaceful, more calm in those types of states. Those brainwave patterns, you go through them naturally.
[00:19:59] So you wake up in the morning, you’re coming out of a theta brainwave. You move into an alpha brainwave recognizing that you’re dreaming, and then you get going to work. You’re in a beta brainwave during the day. And then at night, when the sun goes down, it happens cyclical early. You start reversing that, which is why at night you’re watching TV, you’re getting tired.
[00:20:21] The sun is going down. You naturally go back cause it’s time for you to naturally sleep. So the trick is, is to try and be in an alpha or a theta brainwave throughout the entire day. Accessing the being side of you, which is allowing the doing side to come into fruition, you can get more done. There’s more focus.
[00:20:40] There’s more clarity. There’s more confidence. There’s more balance because your energy is different. I don’t know about you, but I’ve never seen anybody in a rage, anger, or being mad when they’re in meditation. You just don’t see that altered brainwave pattern. So when I’m working with someone, what I am in is a beta, sometimes an alpha brainwave, and the times that I’ve measured my brainwave patterns, working on people I have gone into sometimes delta.
[00:21:10] Which is your deep REM sleep for a fraction of a second. But oftentimes if I sit in that energy long enough, I will access a gamma brainwave through the theta. So I’ll get into a theta brainwave, and then pretty soon I’m going into a gamma brainwave, which can be a huge acceleration, which is how it shifts and changes within the other person.
[00:21:32] Lance Wantenaar: [00:21:32] Okay. I’m trying to contain my excitement because this was an area which I’ve been spending quite a lot of research into recently, specifically to identify breathing processes, to allow you to step into. Those different levels of, brainwaves developed by them process of meditation and breathing to be able to step into those levels.
[00:21:54] It’s a bit of background how I kind of brought it about is because I’ve been so interested in how the brain functions, the brain brainwaves and getting to the different states, especially this. theta state where you really alert and focus, but also feeling relaxed and aware because the big challenge is when people start meditating, they get really relaxed and we started dropping off and falling asleep or they, his brain is just running ten to the dozen and yeah, I started trying to figure out is how can you actually switch off the brain to a point where you feel expansive, relaxed, but you’re feeling alert.
[00:22:31] And I came across some research, which they’d done in Japan on a breathing method called Okinawa breathing, the breathing that they did, the research on their EEG, monitors on the participants. They found that they were in that really relaxed alert state of mind. And the other thing that happened is their prefrontal cortex got activated and their visual part of their brain was a lot more active
[00:22:59] which I found incredibly fascinating. And then I found out, okay, no, they’re breathing. They would do one breaths per minute. And that was like, okay, how do I do this? Because I’ve tested box breathing i found it to be very challenging. Especially with breathing because you stop.
[00:23:20] When you stop trying to manage your breathing too much, you start becoming oxygen depleted. And I found that quite challenging with box breathing. Cause I found that you’ve so became focused on the breathing control aspect is that you not really paying attention to your meditative state to actually switch those brainwaves.
[00:23:40] So played around with various methods that I’ve been able to refine it down to a process where I can easily do. One breath and one minute, and to get myself into that, you could say consistent meditative state to feel calm and relaxed, and open-minded, we’d have a chat with us offline. You can let me know, bit more about what you think about the process and refine it.
[00:23:59] So get a bit of ego self over here. I’ll call it one breath method, just because that’s basically what it is, but I’ve been able to have a lot more success doing it this way, which is part of the reason why I’ve done it. But I’ve been able to do it without having that oxygen depleted state of trying to control breathing.
[00:24:18] Cause I found that when I was breathing in trying to slow down the breath to get to a certain count and then slowly breathe it out, I was using up so much oxygen during the breathing process that I actually became exhausted. And I was trying to then reregulate the oxygen intake to kind of correct it.
[00:24:34] And then obviously you’d step out of your meditative state and it became counterproductive and the whole process. Okay, I’ll tell you mine. If you tell me yours kind of situation, how do you get to that consistent state of stepping through those brainwaves?
[00:24:48] Dawna Campbell: [00:24:48] For me, it’s been a long practice. I’ve been.
[00:24:52] Gosh, doing this for the last 15 years, 15, 16 years. And it’s a constant practice, but what I’ve learned how to do, even from the Ashram that I lived at, we did do breathing exercises where we had to breathe in for a count of eight out for a count of eight and various things to regulate the breathing, breathing as the breath of life Prana.
[00:25:13] But I learned more recently through a yogic healer, how to focus a mind, thought in a certain way. That regulates the breathing, but also puts you into that state of a deep meditation, which gives you complete awareness of all of your surroundings. And what he had me do was focus when you breathe in, you’re breathing in the oxygen and the good nutrients that you need for your body.
[00:25:42] And when you breathe out, you’re breathing out the carbon dioxide and the toxins and the things that you don’t need. But he had the associate every breath in with a positive word of virtue, something I wanted. So I might say kindness. And then when I breathed out, he had me breathe out something I didn’t want anymore say bitterness.
[00:26:01] So I’d breathe in kindness and breathe out bitterness. And I would just sit there, breathing in. And every time I breathed in, I thought kindness. Every time I breathed out, I thought bitterness and what happened was over the course of just a couple of minutes, you’re just in that suspended state of meditation. And then you would just be, you were in a complete state of being as it happened because you gave your mind something to do to focus on a thought.
[00:26:29] So all the other mind thoughts were gone. Focus there. And then you are just breathing them pretty soon. You’re just breathing. You’re not paying attention to the breath and I’ve caught myself even not breathing. And then when I come out, it’s like, how long did I sit here? Not taking a breath, but your skin you have to remember is still taking in oxygen.
[00:26:51] So you’re always getting the correct air supply that is needed for your body, because that sense in that organ will take over, which is part of the heightened awareness. Around now. He also taught me a lot of other different types of meditations to focus different parts of my senses as well, to keep that alertness and that awareness.
[00:27:10] And then also going into those deeper states quickly, fast and efficiently. Plus with the lifetime of study, I learned from a Buddhist monk, how to embody meditation as a lifestyle, and he had us get up and walk in a walking meditation. In a group. And when he sat us down and he said, this is a metaphor for life.
[00:27:31] He goes, you don’t, you go, you were very mindful. Whenever you were walking, how far you are in front of someone where your feet were all of that, but this isn’t something that you just do for five or 20 or 30 minutes a day. It’s something that you become, this is the state of mind you need to, to live. And that was when I went into the Ashram was to learn how to embody meditation as a
[00:27:53] lifestyle. So it’s like becoming the prayer that you prayed, you become the meditation that you are. And if you become the meditation, you don’t have to do very much to keep yourself in the lower brainwave patterns because you already conditioned yourself to repeat that and to be in that energy and to live from that state of mind, then that’s what I’ve learned over the last 15, 16 years, how to do.
[00:28:21] Lance Wantenaar: [00:28:22] No, this is going to be an interesting experiment first thing. Yeah.I have been so Fascinated with how meditation changes, how you think part of the reason why I’ve become so fascinated with it is the area that I work in on a daily basis is cybersecurity and financial crime investigations. One of the, you could say niche areas that I investigate that I deal with is social engineering.
[00:28:50] There’s a specific type of fraud, which is called BEC fraud. Might’ve known it as invoice fraud, email fraud. It’s basically where people email in they are the misrepresenting or impersonating a company or impersonating CEO. And. They build in, but have confidence and trust. And they using the authority aspect of the association to then get people to do things.
[00:29:17] And in essence, they will ask people to transfer funds, change bank, account details for company transfers or anything of that nature. And it’s resulted in many, many companies being defrauded out of quite significant sums that happens on a daily basis. And it happens in every aspect of life. So. Why became so fascinated in how this whole process is affected and changes is that I realize that stress and emotions very quickly step you out of, normal, critical thinking or any kind of your normal processes.
[00:29:49] You can very, very quickly from a stress condition. Step out of that. Investigative or analytical even critical awareness process. And because a lot of the social engineering is used to manipulate that emotional state. A lot of times it’s very subtle, which is why find, find this quite fascinating, because I then started questioning is how did these emotions, how could they change how you think?
[00:30:14] And then it started digging into how the vagus nerve functions within the body. And how the vagus nerve connects between the gut, the heart and the brain and the impact of the vagus nerve on how you think, because when you feel it in your body, it sends majority 80% or more of the signaling up to the brain.
[00:30:34] And the brain is basically a black box. It doesn’t have any nerve endings, but it uses the sensors and the sensory awareness for the body to give it information, to tell it how it function. Which is where nutrition and health is so important because that allows the brain to function. Optimally. If you have poor nutrition, you put health, it’s going to affect how you think, right.
[00:30:57] And that’s this whole connection fascinated me. And then, because I started looking at how breathing can actually change, how you think that there’s a changes. There is a brain is functioning and processing. Now suddenly changes everything because now started realizing that you don’t just think with your brain, you also think with your body, which is why I’m quite interested in the aspect of, waves, how people are seeing the, perceive it in their body.
[00:31:22] So I wanted to find out a bit more, how does various brainwaves then function within the body and how, how do you detect that? How do you see that? how does that affect people’s thinking of
[00:31:32] Dawna Campbell: [00:31:32] being. You’re absolutely right with the guts and the heart, and being connected to the brain with the vagus nerve, because those are the areas that I’m told most often with a client.
[00:31:43] When I ask them, where do they feel the energy at that’s locked up in their body, 90, 95% of the time it’s in those areas. And it’s because it’s running right along that vagus nerve and it’s taking it, all of that sensory information. What I find fascinating is is that it’s not only what you’re eating health wise, but also how you are feeling while you are eating it.
[00:32:06] And if you are eating in a state of stress or anger or pressure, you’re probably in a beta brainwave. And then when you eat it, that’s what you’re digesting emotionally, which is exactly what happened to me. When my health broke down, I grew up in an angry household, not knowing that there was other alternatives.
[00:32:23] I thought it was normal. So, of course my marriage was going to be angry. Of course my work career is going to have an anger aspect to it. And because I was in a constant state of anger and anger is saying something about the situation needs to change, but not being able to communicate what that change was. It kept me in a pattern of a beta brainwave.
[00:32:44] After my marriage dissolved, I started going, Hmm. I think I need to learn meditation and figure this out. So I would practice every night. I would sit down, I would close my eyes and try and sit in the energy of no thought that’s not easy
[00:32:59] at all. It is very difficult, very
[00:33:02] difficult. I did that for about six to eight months before I was determined, met the Buddhist monk and then moved to the Ashram because I know when I was in that state, even just relaxing my mind, the stress was leaving my body.
[00:33:15] The pressure came off of me and I was no longer angry now what also was happening for me with my physical body was I was trying to release the excess weight. After having a second child, I had 40 pounds to go and I was going to the gym. I was working out, I had a personal trainer. I kept food logs and counted calories after a year.
[00:33:35] No results. So I changed gyms, changed diets, nothing again, six months later. Marriage dissolved. He leaves the house. The anger is gone and I’m sitting down meditating, not knowing what I was doing. And because of the brainwaves altered for me, 40 pounds came off of my body. I had gone quit going to the gym in three months.
[00:33:57] I quit going to the gym and if I wanted brownies for dinner, I ate those brownies because I was happy. So there’s also an emotional state connection. The happier you are, the more joyful you are, the more balanced you are. All of those things are going to keep you in the theta alpha brainwaves, more so than the stress, the worry, the frustration, because what that does is it triggers that stress response in the body keeps your adrenals in a fight or flight pattern and it will start breaking down through the chemicals and the hormones. We get used to feeling like the cortisol and the adrenaline and the norepinephrine and all of those things, because those emotions have the components in it to help you create the hormones, to stay addicted to a stress response to hates.
[00:34:43] So in order to get out of that, you really have to start focusing on embodying meditation in a different way, too. Shift those brainwave patterns and then slowly but surely that chemical response and balance will shift and change within the body. So it’s like an automatic feedback system, something in the body, there’s probably something in a brainwave or in a pattern that needs to shift and change because when it changes, the body can go into that relaxed, peaceful state, and then you’ll have a different internal chemical balance.
[00:35:18] Lance Wantenaar: [00:35:18] Once you’ve mentioned very very. interesting because of the very strong links between stress, hormones and cortisol levels, heart disease, diabetes, various other health issues, and how they linking emotional states with health conditions and even long-term health conditions. And the fact is by meditating.
[00:35:43] It’s not just an esoteric practice of, oh, you sitting there breathing thinking, happy thoughts. The fact of the matter is you’re changing the hormone levels and the types of hormones in your body, which reduces blood pressure, which reduces stress on the heart, which improves your breathing, the improved breathing, then stimulates guts.
[00:36:04] The vagus nerve relaxes. You reduces blood pressure, improve oxygenation, improves the balance of CO2 and oxygen. Because a lot of people think, oh no, I need to breathe fast. and breathe more. It’s not about breathing more. It’s having a deeper quality of breathing to be able to have better health.
[00:36:23]Dawna Campbell: [00:36:23] Exactly.
[00:36:24]And how fast this all shifts and changes in the body. If you were to rub an onion on the bottom of your foot, within moments, you should have a slight taste of it in your mouth. That’s how fast everything changes in the body and how quickly the body communicates. So you can imagine that once, if you’re in a stressful state and once you get triggered into that peaceful state, by utilizing the different techniques, then instantaneously, you will feel that rush that chemical rebalance instantaneously in the body, you might even forget why you even angry when that happens.
[00:37:00] Yeah, that’s happened to me.
[00:37:02] Lance Wantenaar: [00:37:02] So for people who actually first come across this and listening to, cause we’ve, we’ve gone into quite a bit of science in this aspect. We’ve tied it into really old practices of meditation although people are aware that meditation is becoming a lot more where the benefits of meditation and how it functions.
[00:37:20]What’s the most basic thing that somebody can do to change how they think when it comes to. Wanting to change something in their life. It’s a big ask. I’ll give you a bit of a story from my own side of things quite a few years ago, it was about 10 years ago. I decided I wanted to improve my health and various other aspects.
[00:37:40] I wanted to become fitter, stronger, everything else that I want to set out and achieve part of it was because I got a really bad injury. I’ve tried to get into some surf, got washed off the rocks. I’ve injured, some muscles in my glute to my hamstring. so I’ve got, an imbalance between the right and left because of the injury that I did.
[00:37:57] So I went back to the gym to basically rebuild body into function with injuries and to then kind of build up strength and functionality in that aspect. And for me, a trigger was I saw myself on holiday in Barbados, and I looked at myself and I thought. That’s got to change. Because I was starting to get all soft and squishy and I did not like it in the least say that overweight is just that I didn’t have any of the, shape that I want that I didn’t have any kind of muscle development.
[00:38:28] Even though I was in the gym training and I was doing a lot of exercise, I wouldn’t get the benefits. So I started really focusing on doing everything that I wanted to do, improving my diet, my nutrition, and started seeing the benefits. For me, it was that decision that something had to change. But one thing that I do remember of that moment is that it was a moment of clarity and I’ve never been able to re-engineer that.
[00:38:56]So I could repeat that if I can repeat that again with other things of my life. That to me would be magic. Because I think that’s what a lot of people are looking for because every person you speak to will have a moments in their life where they looked at something and said, that’s got to change and they’ve been able to change it.
[00:39:14] But it’s being able to get to that almost Rubicon moment. And even to this day, I could remember the sensation. I can remember the moment I can remember the experience. I can remember everything about what it felt like at that moment. It was such a crystaline I would say moment and experience, right? So the question is how can you make that a repeatable pattern to make repeatable changes in your life?
[00:39:36] That’s going to build to more,
[00:39:39] Dawna Campbell: [00:39:39] so the first step is to have that mental awareness of how you feel in the moment. So when you had that moment, you were in Barbados and you knew something needed to change. What did that feel like to you?
[00:39:51] Lance Wantenaar: [00:39:51] I was sitting looking at the pictures and there’s a certain amount of disgust.
[00:39:58] Dawna Campbell: [00:39:58] Okay. So we identify the lower energy of disgust. Now you went through a really long process going to the gym, getting in shape, doing all the correct things to achieve a result. What was that end result that you achieved? How did that feel?
[00:40:12] Lance Wantenaar: [00:40:12] I felt, I felt happier, but it also felt that it was getting a result.
[00:40:20] It’s that feedback that I was getting, obviously the feedback loops and you’re getting something out of it.
[00:40:25] Dawna Campbell: [00:40:25] Yeah. So what was the feeling of the results outside of happiness? How did it feel knowing that you got the result and you, you, you made it,
[00:40:35] Lance Wantenaar: [00:40:35] I felt like confidence. It felt like, confidence was a big thing for me because I felt I had more capability.
[00:40:41] I felt like I’d achieved something
[00:40:43] Dawna Campbell: [00:40:43] so the lower energy that you felt in the moment when you had that moment of clarity, that you realized something needed to change was a feeling and sensation inside of you of disgust. And then your end result was what you needed was confidence. So anytime you access how you feel, if there’s a lower vibrating emotion, I feel.
[00:41:05] Anger, for example, well, ask yourself, what is it that I really need in this moment? I don’t need to feel angry. I need to feel, and you might have happiness disgust confidence. You might feel sad in the moment. So if you don’t need sadness, what do I need outside of the sadness? I don’t need sadness in this moment.
[00:41:23] I need maybe it’s love, maybe it’s compassion. And then what you can start doing, you can, utilise that breathing technique of breathing in the positive word, breathing out the negative word. Or you can just instantly recognize in the moment, if I could feel confidence in this exact moment and not disgust, how would it look and feel to me today?
[00:41:43] And that’s what I call the pivot and shift strategy. And so that’s what I’m doing when I work with clients is identifying their awareness of what it felt like, and then bringing in the quality that they needed and then asking for that energetic exchange. And I’m in a theta brainwave, sometimes a theta gamma brainwave sharing a space with them, watching that shift take place inside their brain.
[00:42:06] So the key to what you’re asking for is assessing how you feel in the moment. And then assessing how you would rather feel in the moment and the majority of the time, when you can identify those two things, your brain will take care of it for you. If you stay stuck in the part of, I don’t want to feel this, then there’s something in there that needs to, that’s tied to an event we need to go back and look at, but oftentimes it will happen in the moment just for you, by identifying how you would rather feel, because you just said, I want confidence.
[00:42:39] So your brain’s going to start creating confidence. And it’s going to override the disgust. So it’s a real simplistic way of looking at what I do a real surface level way to start creating a new pattern. But if you catch it in that moment, it will start changing and shifting things in your life. And that’s exactly what I do for myself.
[00:42:59] I am always doing mental self-awareness check-ins. How do I feel? Usually I feel tired. I was like, okay, I should have an abundance of energy. I don’t need to feel tired. So how do I, you know, let’s bring in the abundance of energy. I, and I started doing that same little process on myself and that’s what happened.
[00:43:20]Lance Wantenaar: [00:43:20] That’s interesting. Kind of stepping into the psychology side of things. You can talk about cognitive dissonance between what you want and want what you don’t like and set that disparity because it’s everybody’s has got that in a day to day basis, but it’s actually using that principle to then get to change.
[00:43:38] And it’s insightful in certain aspects. I mean, I can quite it almost to a battery. The battery has got a positive and a negative side of things and for energy to flow it needs to flow between the two positive and negative states whose that’s the nature of energy, energy will go from positive to negative all or more to less, you know, tries to balance things out those things.
[00:44:01] As if it’s static, then nothing’s going to happen. You still going to stay in the same. So you could say the key that you just highlighted is the fact that you need to be able to get that flow started. You need to have the negative identified the positive identified and connected to them. Everything starts moving on, create some process and gets everything going.
[00:44:21] Dawna Campbell: [00:44:21] Right. It creates a different type of occurrence. Absolutely. It does.
[00:44:25]Lance Wantenaar: [00:44:25] So the key thing then is how do people get hold of you, Dawna?
[00:44:29] Dawna Campbell: [00:44:29] Oh, well the easiest way is to either go to my website at dawnacampbell.com or you can follow me on Instagram at the healingheartinc
[00:44:39] Lance Wantenaar: [00:44:39] you’ve written a couple of books haven’t you?
[00:44:41] Dawna Campbell: [00:44:41] Yes.
[00:44:42] Lance Wantenaar: [00:44:42] Do you have anything else that you’ve got to bring out?
[00:44:45] Do you have all of them?
[00:44:47] Dawna Campbell: [00:44:47] The main book that I wrote is called financially fit. You can find it on Amazon or Barnes and noble.com. And it’s all of the subconscious feelings, emotions, beliefs, thoughts that we have around the topic of money and wealth. And it’s about living the secrets to an abundant and prosperous life.
[00:45:04] So it’s not how to invest, how to eliminate debt or anything. It is all about the subconscious energy you need to be and to create more and write your own client, a fluent story. I’m also a chapter author in a couple of other books. One of them is called one habit to thrive in a post COVID world. The other book that just came out is called raising the bar and the last book that is being in the process of being published as we speak.
[00:45:34] I believe you can. Pre-order it is called cracking the rich code. And I will be on the cover with Tony Robbins, Jim Britt, and Kevin Harrington for that book.
[00:45:43] Lance Wantenaar: [00:45:43] wow so you’ve been busy
[00:45:45] Dawna Campbell: [00:45:45] sometimes,
[00:45:50] but yes, I also have several articles that are coming out, over the next couple of months for people asking me to write for magazines and different things, videos sharing on podcasts. It’s time to take this from the individual level to the global stage, share it with the world and create the world a better place for everybody.
[00:46:07] So everyone can have a prosperous life of happiness and love
[00:46:11] Lance Wantenaar: [00:46:11] so just to finish everything off, what do you think is the best or the most useful meditation tip that somebody can learn that will make. A big difference in their life because everybody’s start off with meditation. There’s so many apps, there’s so many tools, there’s so many other things.
[00:46:27] What’s the most simple and practical takeaway that they can have when it comes to meditation.
[00:46:32] Dawna Campbell: [00:46:32] Well, the best meditation that anybody can do is the one that you are going to do. And then the rest will come in to place. My favorite meditation is sitting and just closing my eyes. And just relaxing my brain and my mind thoughts, but allowing my thoughts to do whatever they want.
[00:46:52] So I might have a thought surface. I don’t say thank you. Let go of the thought, let me have no thought or anything like that. I just allow the thoughts to surface and leave and I just sit there breathing and I allow whatever to happen happens. Sometimes I will set a timer to do that when I’m in between events, because it gives you clarity and focus of the mind.
[00:47:12] So you can pick it up and go back to work again. So I might do 15 minutes. I might do 20 minutes if I have the time in between, but I just love sitting and relaxing my mind and letting whatever happen happens. That’s my favorite meditation is probably the very first one. I taught myself when I was learning it 20 years ago.
[00:47:33] But, if you can just relax your mind and just allow the thoughts to surface, they will dissipate out of your body and you’ll just go into meditation.
[00:47:42] Lance Wantenaar: [00:47:42] That’s a good way to end the podcast episode. So thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it. And it was a fascinating discussion. I thank you very much for your insight.
[00:47:51] Dawna Campbell: [00:47:51] Thank you for having me.
[00:47:53] Lance Wantenaar: [00:47:53] I wish you all the best and I’ll look forward to, keeping an eye on for your articles and your content. So all the best with your books.
[00:47:59] Dawna Campbell: [00:47:59] Well thank you and it’s been a pleasure being here.